and john, when we heard this today, we couldn't believe it. instead of turning right down the aisle, he makes a left turn right into the cockpit. how does this happen? >> well, first of all, the cockpit door is very often open on the ground, before we start closing things up. so, that part is understandable. but what a -- i can't believe the guy thought he could get away with this. >> and, you know, this happened before the plane actually pushed back, so, what are the chances he could have pulled this off any longer here? >> the chances are pretty much absolute zero. and the reason is, the first thing we're going to do, any pilot is going to ask for the paperwork. there's got to be something from the company, there's got to be a good idea. he failed on both those counts. and even if those are good, you're still going to have an exchange as pilots and we're going to know within just a few seconds that this is not really a pilot. >> our aviation consultant, john nance, with us tonight. john, our thanks to you, as well. >>> overseas this evening